Christianity has been debunked once and for all

The Unintimidated Press recently published an expose purporting to debunk Christianity once and for all. I read it and do feel it lives up to its title:

http://www.unintimida...

That is a great essay and website. It's so true about Christians. They think they are the most persecuted bunch in this country. Who do they think they're kidding. Especially when you hear that nutjob Jay Sekulo who's a Xtain attorney always trying to put prayer and superstition back in the public schools .

It is a good essay however I think it fail a bit when it come to making comments regarding the nature of the So-Called Omnipotent Being (Scob from now on).

The problem as I see it is that trying to quantify Scob's abilities in a rational way goes against the fact that , by definition, Scob can do anything. So that for example saying that it would take half a second to judge someone might not seem impossible to a believer. This is like the old argument against Santa Claus that try to show that he would not have enough time to deliver all the presents in a single night.

Much better were the arguments against a literal interpretation of the Bible which, in my mind, would work better when presented to a believer.

Much better were the arguments against a literal interpretation of the Bible which, in my mind, would work better when presented to a believer.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no...it doesn't always (perhaps not even usually) seem to work like that, especially if someone already believes in the literally "true" bible. As that element seems to be the one capable of the most material damage and since those Christians who tend to interpret their beliefs metaphorically also tend to live and let live, I'm not sure what such discussions can possibly accomplish.

I recently read a reply to a question about the Christian God's supposed omniscience, the gist of which was that God knows everything; he's just testing us to see what our responses will be.

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That's not the first time I've ever encountered such a response, and whenever I've pointed out the glaring logical flaw, without fail I've gotten either a reiteration of the statement or an accusation of persecution either against God or Christians. It's compartmentalization run amok. I'm quite sure most of those good folk are not intentionally thick, but there seems to be some kind of hysterical mental resistance to giving up the god endorphins. I kind of understand that, since I vividly remember how hard it was for me to quit smoking.

Whatever. I'm less interested in debunking Christianity than I am in getting intrusive religionists to leave other people alone and not inject their subjective metaphysical beliefs into politics, public education or general morality.

Mac

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no...it doesn't always (perhaps not even usually) seem to work like that, especially if someone already believes in the literally "true" bible. As that element seems to be the one capable of the most material damage and since those Christians who tend to interpret their beliefs metaphorically also tend to live and let live, I'm not sure what such discussions can possibly accomplish.

Thats probably true for fundamentalists by I think that "cultural" theist (those who are mostly because they were raised in it) could be swayed by some rational questioning of their faith. After all, many atheists didn't start that way.

Whatever. I'm less interested in debunking Christianity than I am in getting intrusive religionists to leave other people alone and not inject their subjective metaphysical beliefs into politics, public education or general morality.

That probably a sensible approach, you can't convince a fundamentalist to see the error of his ways but you can probably convince a few people (even if religious) that its a bad idea to make laws based on a litteral interpretation of a holy text.

Just the one point alone that the piece makes that Jesus exhibited zero knowledge of the natural world, is the absolute knockout blow to any notion that Jesus was the so-called son of a being that suposedly created the universe and all life!

In response to the part of the article that talks about how Christians are always reminding us that the founders of the nation were Christians. I've heard debate about that for years so I recently decided to read some actual writings by Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin. The funny thing is that they were all Deists. They believed in a God that created the universe but doesn't meddle in our daily affairs. They did not believe Jesus to be the Christ. They believed the bible was the most atrocious book ever written because it's full of bloodshed, deceit, infanticide, hate, etc. I have read the bible 3 times and I too can attest to this. Thomas Jefferson said in his book that somebody suggested putting Jesus in the Constitution but he and several others stood in opposition to this and said... Freedom of religion is just as much for the Jew, the Muslim, the Hindu, and the Infadel as it is for the Christian. In other words, even I as an unbeliever have just as much right as any Christian. I'm tired of the right wing looney's trying to shove their political opinions down our throats and lying to their people that it's what the founding fathers wanted... BULLSHIT I SAY! Unfortunately my father (a preacher) is one of them, he shoved that founding father crap down my throat as a kid. Freethinkers..rock on!!!

This is great insight and it reinforces the quality of the responses that have been made to this thread.

I think what the Christians are talking about, however, when they say this country was founded by Christians are people like the pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock and the quackers who settled Pennsylvania, etc...

This is great stuff. Two million people alone were slaughtered in France during the 1400's at the hands of Christians.