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Tony Smith
Posted Mar 31, 2008 10:03 PM
ynotds
Melbourne, AU
Post #: 8
I posted what follows on my own forum earlier in the day, but after tonight's Action Meeting it is probably time I provided at least this only slightly tongue-in-cheek pointer to where I'm coming from.

An A-Z of things atheism needs to provide, or provide for, both because organised religions presumptively exploit them, or their antitheses, and because they are essential to the functioning and fulfillment of human society:

  • atheist aspirations
  • atheist beauty
  • atheist charity
  • atheist discipline
  • atheist education
  • atheist friendship
  • atheist generosity
  • atheist heritage
  • atheist institutions
  • atheist justice
  • atheist kindness
  • atheist language
  • atheist morality
  • atheist narrative
  • atheist organisation
  • atheist politics
  • atheist questions
  • atheist ritual
  • atheist sex
  • atheist trust
  • atheist universals
  • atheist vision
  • atheist wisdom
  • atheist xenophilia
  • atheist youth
  • atheist zest

Heraklitus
Posted Apr 1, 2008 9:34 PM
user 5709480
Melbourne, AU
Post #: 96
Hi Tony. You've provided an interesting list. I also visited your site and tried the what kind of atheist are you quiz. After agnozing over many questions I finally got to the end and asked for my results. It all fell over with a DB error. Now, DB could stand for dumb bastard. Probably stood for DataBase!

If you find yourself in a non-toung-in-cheek mood I'd be really interested in you reposting the list but this time ranked in decreasing importance to you. Possible? This could well be an interesting fred for us all.

Thanks and may the XOR be with you!
Heraklitus
Tony Smith
Posted Apr 2, 2008 12:06 AM
ynotds
Melbourne, AU
Post #: 9
I'd be really interested in you reposting the list but this time ranked in decreasing importance to you.

G'day Heraklitus, this might be a two step process, starting here with a brief explanation and only later mapping A-Z into 1-26, a process that took literally years for my now favourite 28 songs on my iTunes play list by way of comparison.

First I'd say that I like A and Z where they are, 'aspirations' because they really are the first thing we need to sort out before we bother with anything else. Are we flirting with activist atheism (i) just because we want to dis religion or (ii) might we brave enough to really try to start laying substantive foundations for a society which loses its dependence on institutions built around historic delusions? It has taken me half a century to accept that doing only the first gets you nowhere with the second.

And 'zest' was the only one that I had to scan a word list to choose.

But my core list definitely begins at 'charity' where I'm beyond tired of the failure of otherwise worthy secular charities to do or say anything that might turn the tide of disinformation which the deluded spout every more loudly and are rarely comprehensively challenged. Issues from voluntary euthanasia to the suffocation of a challenge-challenged generation should not be held ransom to their nonsense. Even more so we need to fight back towards a world where speaking with common courtesy does not prevent us talking clearly about topics we seem to have already let become 'too difficult'.
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